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Eldric wrote:

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:He was not in public(i.e. in town or heavily trafficked area), and therefore not in violation of the rules

While the gating of him off to another (presumably dangerous) location was a reprehensible act, wether or not he was in public is open to some debate. I can't point to canon on this but I think in terms of the shard, anyplace not private (basically a player owned home) is considered to be public.

I would think that macroing near ANY bank would be considered highly public.

As far as the disconnects, I guess that would have to be taken up with the admin.

Oni, this sounds like an issue you should be trying to resolve between you and the other player. I cannot image why anyone would purposefully want to hurt someone who is AFK. If anything, what he did amounts to an indirect attack and you should contact a GM about it.

As far as getting booted, that's to be expected. If an Admin finds you absentee macroing, you may start developing "connection issues." I'm sorry if you got the impression this is a macroing friendly shard but it is not. There are quite a few failsafe mechanisms scripted into the game to discourage players from resorting to unattended macroing. The original game developers believed games are meant to be played, not macroed. If the activity you are trying to perform is so odious to you to do it personally then perhaps you should be looking into picking up a different skill/trade.

Try building up your character without macroing. It may take you a bit longer but it will be more rewarding in the end. I gurantee you, if you just manage to put two hours of gametime each night, five days a week, for one month, you'll have a nearly maxed out character by the end of that period. Bad habits die hard, but die they must

Where all this is going to? Is it been directed to me as the guilty one?
By far, the reason for not wanting players to macro near POPULATED areas is for it not to be annoying. Example will be you going to the bank and seen 3 players casting night sight to gain magery every 5 seconds.
My character was not annoying anyone. In fact he don’t even talk. JUST WALKS AROUND. And if you use any reason I was walking on sand next to the beach, not a pathway where player will normally walk on. It is extremely ridiculous to even think I was macroin in populated areas.
If all of you are trying to find something on me to blame what has happen, it will not happen!
So Eldric let me see if I understand. When the rules of WOD say “Absentee macroing while in public. This is rude. Having a macro that spams the screen while you're away is doubly rude.â€

Joram Lionheart wrote:As far as getting booted, that's to be expected. If an Admin finds you absentee macroing, you may start developing "connection issues." I'm sorry if you got the impression this is a macroing friendly shard but it is not. There are quite a few failsafe mechanisms scripted into the game to discourage players from resorting to unattended macroing.

Joran, are you part of adim? Is not to offend you. But if what you say is true and I understand correct unattended macro is not permitted here? Well it will explain the booting.

Can admin confirm?

Its not so much that macroing is not permitted: its not <i>encouraged</i>, What's the difference, you say? Well, if it were not permitted, then you would get in trouble for doing it (as in fines, character deletion, banning, whatever.) As part of the 'not encouraged' thing, if we happen to notice you macroing, then yep, expect to develop 'connection problems' Also worth mentioning is that we really don't go LOOKING for macroers: its more just a 'if we notice you' sort of thing.

Getting back to the original post, yes, teleporting another player against their will (and possibly putting them in danger) would definitely be against the rules, regardless of if they're macroing or not.

Regarding the difference between a public and private area: If its somewhere that its reasonable that another player may wander along, then generally, its a public area. Anywhere in a town, for instance, would be considered a public area (excluding your own house, of course.)

Well this is going to develop a problem for me. I really don’t know how admin will determent that I am actually macroing unattended. Last night I was in front of my pc and constantly been booted. No one ask me, no one walk in the cave.

The macro I use to mine is a series of mouse clicks wish is undetectable by the server. The only way you can know I am macroing is by looking at my character for at least 2 or 3 minutes. Or if you MSG me and I don’t answer.

Unfortunately I can’t double click a shovel and stare at my monitor wile my character mines and then move to another position and repeat and repeat and repeat. And if admin don’t call me and just assume I am not on my pc and will bootme, it will be a problem. Even at home I connect to my office and continue work. It is nothing personal against none of you, but I don’t think this is such a big deal to be gating me or booting me because I macro.

Eldric wrote:

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:He was not in public(i.e. in town or heavily trafficked area), and therefore not in violation of the rules

While the gating of him off to another (presumably dangerous) location was a reprehensible act, wether or not he was in public is open to some debate. I can't point to canon on this but I think in terms of the shard, anyplace not private (basically a player owned home) is considered to be public.

Eldric is correct, this is the commonly accepted shard definition of a "public" place. If you are anywhere another player can visit, you are in a public place. The only "safe" place to macro is in your home.

I'm curious why you chose to make a big public ordeal out of this. If you knew who the person was, why didn't you talk to them about it first? If that didn't go well, why didn't you page a GM in game? Congratulaions, now you have a bunch of non-GM opinions and a flame-fest to boot. Well done.

Drocket wrote:Also worth mentioning is that we really don't go LOOKING for macroers: its more just a 'if we notice you' sort of thing.

In other words, if you hadn't announced to the entire shard that you have an eborate method of macroing, you might have gone unchecked for quite a long time. As for your connection problems last night, you were disconnected 3 (that's three) times, not "all night long", so let's leave the exaggerations at home. And finally, as far as knowing if you're AFK or not, usually a granite elemental helps in determining that.

We provide this free UO game in order for people to play, not for the game to play itself. If you are macroing anywhere else besides your home, you take a chance of anything happening.

Well I guess I was mistaken to believe this shard was free of harassment, besides I don’t want a granite elemental â€

there are basically only two reasons to macro. one is to gain skills which doesn't work here so that's out. the other is to gain something for nothing be it sand or loot from monsters.
i suppose we could make Drocket script a dot play command so that everyone could "macro" to their heart's content and have all the money in the world without having to put in any work for it but somehow that would just seem hopelessly cheesy.
it's one thing to build a macro to mine and allow you time to chat with someone else while you watch what's going on. i don't think anyone would have a problem with that. on the other hand running a macro while you are watching tv or or seriously afk like sleeping isn't acceptable at all at least to me. you are consuming server resources albeit miniscule amounts of them and more importantly you are gaining materially without putting in any effort.
i had friends who used to macro making scrolls every day. set the macro running, go to bed, get up refill with blank scrolls and set the macro running again, off to work. come home harvest the cash then go watch tv make supper etc then perhaps an hour or two of playing before bed. they made between 40 and 50 k every day with 0 effort or input to the shard. after a little bit they ran out of cool things to buy and started bitching about that while watching the money pile up.

Why an earth you ruin most of the fun from your game by macroing ?

Developing a character slowly and steadily is very funny and hooking. If you macromake a character it will have full stats but empty soul. Most of us bit longer played ones have even deleted ready made characters to be able to live that development cycle again.

Maddox wrote:Why an earth you ruin most of the fun from your game by macroing ?

Developing a character slowly and steadily is very funny and hooking. If you macromake a character it will have full stats but empty soul. Most of us bit longer played ones have even deleted ready made characters to be able to live that development cycle again.

...this is one of those shards where old players are always right and ...

Seems to be the case hon... don't macro. They are right, you are wrong. What they say goes.

Oh, jeez, am I bashing now? I think not. Look at the mentality here people... he didn't do anything wrong, yet was persecuted for it... But I suppose he's whining now, right? You guys are funny...
Now, to dissuade the notion that I am once again bashing beloved WoD, I am not. WoD is not, nor has it ever been the problem. The staff and/or admin of WoD is not, nor has it ever been the problem. The problem herein lies with those whos mentality seems to permeate these forums, and infect the other members of the player base with their narrow-minded, "we-are-always-right-because-we-have-been-here-the-longest" attitudes. Change is a good thing, people. New ideas are a good thing. Speaking up when you see something which is inherently wrong is a good thing. The only bashing that took place in this thread was from those players claiming to "adamantly defend" their home- to this there was no need. your home was not threatened or slandered. It was YOU who were being challenged, and it was YOU who only proved not up to the challenge by your rants. A person was harassed while doing something that he was led to believe was well within the guidelines of the rules of the server, and when he complained (rightly so) about this harassment, he was berated and slandered himself for what he had done to bring this upon himself. Everyone take a deep breath and re-read his original post and try to look at it objectively and without those rose-colored glasses you all seem to don when it comes to "defending your home". He had a problem with the person who had done this to him, and asked if anyone else had a problem with him. He never once stated that "WoD sucks" or "this shard has crappy staff" or any such things that you people decided to defend against. Normally, when accusations begin being thrown out there, the ones with the guiltiest conscious have the loudest voice of opposition to the statements... Take a look at the thread and ask yourself who lost their composure the most...

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:Change is a good thing, people. New ideas are a good thing. Speaking up when you see something which is inherently wrong is a good thing.

All that is agreed. Macroing does not appear in there though, my sister. Macroing is not change. It is annoying and "discouraged" by the admins for whatever reasons they want to give - or not to give. If the admins say the sky in WOD is green, then we all had better start saying "oh what a lovely green sky there is today" in game because it's theirs and that's that. If the admins say "don't macro" and you do, well the consequences are yours alone.

I don't want to sound mean. I'm not a mean guy after all, but WOD just does not seem the place for you, Brother Zea. The admins generously share their scripts with the public, and the POL server software is also available. I'm not saying get the heck out, but if you really want to macro, you're going to have to either find another shard to do it on or make your own and do it there. The admins flatly don't want us to macro, and, if that's the only way you can get a character you would consider fun to play, then you're in the wrong game.

All that being said, brother Zea, you were attacked and harassed by the gate caster, and I do not believe it was whining to mention it. I think mentioning it to the offender and to a GM privately would have been a more grown-up way of dealing with the situation. Opening this can of worms on the boards has done little to bring us together as a community - although, it appears most of us have agreed that AFK macroing for hours is a rotten idea. Thank you for the reminder (yet another one) that we all should take a moment to ponder the Golden Rule.

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:Seems to be the case hon... don't macro. They are right, you are wrong. What they say goes.

Celeste you're so full of S%*!. Where did anyone say that things are the way they are because they said so. I've been playing here longer than most people have and not ONCE has any Admin approached and ask me for permission to do anything. Drocket and Laephis clearly stipulated that WoD's policy is not one that favors macroing. That's the way it was at the beginning and that's the way it'll continue to be till this shard dies. Why can't you just accept that there is no conspiracy and that the majority of people seem to agree with the shard's official policy?
OPEN YOUR EYES AND FACE THE FACTS. Some guy comes here and says he's a macroing. Of course, there are some people who are going to offer their opinion about the subject (whether warranted or not). So you don't agree. Too bad, I don't make the shard's policy AND NEITHER DO YOU. We all know you used to be an Admin on your shard. Maybe there you could dictate how things are going to be. Well guess what, your opinion is worth no more than mine here. Neither you or nor I get to decide what WoD's policy, get used to it.

Oh, jeez, am I bashing now? I think not. Look at the mentality here people...

Yes, we form our own opinions and we are not afraid to voice them loud enough for you to hear. You don't like it? Go to some other country where people don't speak their minds. This is America. We have freedom speech to express ourselves.

he didn't do anything wrong, yet was persecuted for it... But I suppose he's whining now, right?

Persecuted? What the hell are babbling about? Who persecuted him? What did they do to him??? Someone played a prank joke on him in-game and most people agreed that was reprehensible and inappropiate. Does that mean we have to agree with him about macroing too? And in case you didn't notice, Laephis (an Admin) told him exactly why he got disconnected. He didn't like it. Too bad, he doesn't get to choose how this shard is run.

You guys are funny...

You are ridiculous.

The staff and/or admin of WoD is not, nor has it ever been the problem.

Then why do you have a problem with what the staff has said?

The problem herein lies with those whos mentality seems to permeate these forums, and infect the other members of the player base with their narrow-minded "we-are-always-right-because-we-have-been-here-the-longest" attitudes.

The only narrowmindedness I see here is coming from you. You are the one that must always right (or else). I never once have heard you apologize for those things that you said about our admins. Never once did you retract your statement that WoD players were bad because they didn't replace your items after you manage to lose them all on your own. I tend to see a pattern here, what Celeste says goes or else it's a conspiracy. Just listen to your crap for a second. I'd be willing to bet there are new players who agree macroing is downright cheesy. What about them? How do they fit into your oldbie conspiracy?

Change is a good thing, people. New ideas are a good thing. Speaking up when you see something which is inherently wrong is a good thing.

Not all change is good and not all ideas are great. If you feel something is wrong, then by all means speak out against it. I feel macroing detracts from a player's playing experience. And despite your all your protests I have the right to believe so and speak out against it. What is truly WRONG is to make up some ridiculous consipiracy theory just because people happen to think differently that you do. Yeah, news flash Celeste, people have opinions different than yours and they have the right to state them. You cannot and WILL NOT silence us with that conspiracy garbage of yours.

The only bashing that took place in this thread was from those players claiming to "adamantly defend" their home- to this there was no need.

So there is no need for me to say "yeah what that player did to you is clearly wrong, but btw, macroing is wrong too." I suppose I'm not allowed to say the latter because Celeste says I shouldn't. Just who died and made YOU queen?

Everyone take a deep breath and re-read his original post and try to look at it objectively

You are the one that's not looking at this objectively. Let's look at the facts. A player comes here and states he was attacked while afk. Is anyone saying that was right? Is anyone saying he deserves it and commending the guy that did it? Of course not. However, Oin also said that it happened while he was deliberately macroing in a public area (which is ALSO against the rules, a fact your non-objective self seems to be ignoring). Macroing has always been a touchy issue in this shard. If you proclaim to the entire shard that you macro and even describe with luxury of detail how you do it, do you honestly expect people who hate macroing to give you a friggin' medal for it? Like Laephis said, nicely done.

whoa, ease up there guys.

Whatever happened to having fun.

I see a ton of players who macro in brit bank and do it for hours upon hours on end.

Unless i'm saddly mistaken C does some macroing in the bank and may from time to time leave the computer to do something else.

I my self macro to make gheals, but i do it in my Occlo home.