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I will not mention names, but I need to clear something.

I macro allot, my macros are complex, my character can walk 100+ steps, loot, fight around to gather goods. I will appreciate if you see me don’t open portals in front of me so that my character ends up someplace else.

I know this was done in knowledge of me been macroing, for I record all journal and 40seconds snapshots when I macro, and the player did say I was macroing besides I use the (.private). Right after stepping in front of me and creating a gate.

One of the reasons for me to be on WoD is not to encounter this type of things. I play here respecting all and I expect the same thing.

I know many have seen me macroing going around in caves. And they totally understand immediately I am macroing, they leave me in peace.

If anyone have a complain of me walking around and macroing and feel the need for a quick joke and open portals so that I walk in then say is my fault for macroing so close to he’s gate then please tell me so and I will move on.

There's always going to be some people who hate macroing and will try to mess up your macro. I'm not one to use macros myself, but from knowing people who do I know it's possible to make a macro "know" when there is a portal and avoid it. Maybe you should go find out how to do that.

Directly from the WoD Rules page...

The World of Dreams Player Guidelines: wrote:Absentee macroing while in public. This is rude. Having a macro that spams the screen while you're away is doubly rude.
Being obnoxious repeatedly, or as a matter of playstyle. Giving a character an inappropriate name is considered obnoxious behavior. [see below]
Violations of these rules should be reported to GMs. If immediate action is necessary, the GM will jail the offending character and report the incident to Player Relations.

For most offenses, Player Relations will afford a punishment suitable to the scale of the offense:

In the case of Harassment, PKing, or Theft, the offending character may be, and probably will be, deleted. For repeated offenses, the matter will be referred to the Lead Administrator.
For deliberately crashing The World of Dreams, the matter will be referred to the Lead Administrator.
For any other offense, a warning is likely on the "first offense". Repeat offenses will result in loss of stats, lowering of skills, bankwipes and other property deletion, or character deletion. Continued offenses beyond that point will be referred to the Lead Administrator.
The Lead Administrator will afford a punishment suitable to the scale of the offense(s) up to, and including, banning the account.

Players have the right to play free of harassment.
This is not a PK shard and players can expect they will not be randomly attacked by other players....

He was not in public(i.e. in town or heavily trafficked area), and therefore not in violation of the rules

Wolfie wrote:There's always going to be some people who hate macroing and will try to mess up your macro. I'm not one to use macros myself, but from knowing people who do I know it's possible to make a macro "know" when there is a portal and avoid it. Maybe you should go find out how to do that.

To tell a player that they should "go find out how to do that", and imply that they have done something wrong when they haven't, is just wrong in itself. Maybe the person who cast the gate should re-read the rules page and find that not only was Oin not doing anything wrong, but that, in fact, they were guilty of violation of the rules of WoD.

My suggestion, Oin, is to send those screenshots of the player deliberately casting in front of you, along with all the related text denoting they they fully intended to send you someplace nasty, to the admin. According to the rules page, the player:

The World of Dreams Player Guidelines: wrote:In the case of Harassment, PKing, or Theft, the offending character may be, and probably will be, deleted. For repeated offenses, the matter will be referred to the Lead Administrator.

If this ended with your character being killed, it should be considered indirect PK'ing. If nothing else, it is still harassment. Additionally, if you were killed and lost anything, it should also constitute theft, as you would not have normaly lost those items had the player not interfered.

Ya know, Celeste, I think Wolfie was only trying to help. Why must you slam people for trying to post helpful hints, I saw you do that in an earlier post recently. Maybe Oin was unaware he/she could do that.

About macroing. Dundee hated it. He tried (and I think for the most part succeeded) in making this place a place that didn't require macroing. However, it is not against the rules, it's just not necessary. If someone is macroing and it isn't bothering anyone then it shouldn't be a problem.

However, if a person should leave their computer unattended, I feel it is that person's responsibility to accept the risk that anything can and may happen while they are away.

As for the person who opened the gate, well I think Oin you should have a private talk with them about the situation. I think a person should TRY to resolve their own issues before resorting to the shard's admin.

Yes I was just trying to help because there will always be macroers and there will always be people who hate macroers.
Anyone who regularly reads the forums is used to seeing that sort of response out of Celeste. (*wonders what flames will rise from that*)

Ya know, Tamla, if you re-read my post, you'll see that I pointed out specifically in the RULES where it says he did nothing wrong. Now, it was pointed out to me that any place accessable to other players is considered public, and I must say, I 100% agree with that, although quite narrow, interpretation of the word. It would seem that the only place a player is 100% guaranteed to not be harassed of pk'd while unattended macroing would be in their own home behind locked doors.
However, if you refer to the Etiquette section of the rules page, it also refers to public places being considered "in and around the bank" etc... which would lead some to believe that it was perfectly fine to macro out in a dungeon or cave.

The World of Dreams Player Manual/Rules and Guidelines/Etiquette: wrote:(Antimony)Also in the interest of courtesy to those player's who are online, please do not log out in a crowded public place, such as near the bank if you choose to leave an NPC behind. Your NPC could easily wander into the bank or it's vicinity and create a traffic jam. Because your offline NPC will also speak when it detects speech in its vicinity, it could create endless spam if it wanders into a crowded public area where players are conversing.

That being said, the fact still remains that regardless of whether or not he was in public, he was needlessly harassed while in no violation of the rules, as he was harming nobody, and not spamming the server. Who was this person to take it upon themself to dictate what someone else was going to be doing, and where? To open a gate in front of them knowingly sending them somewhere they knew full well the person did not intend to be? How were they to know that Oin was not simply ignoring them when he did not respond to their chit-chat? How many times has it been brought up on these forums that "sometimes people are just too busy to reply to you", or that their text "didn't show up on your screen"?

Tamla Tamara wrote:...However, it is not against the rules, it's just not necessary...

So, in your eyes, if someone were to... oh, I dunno, say run in circles, needlessly, for hours on end, out in the middle of the woods, for no purpose other than just doing it- simply because this is not necessary, they should be punished for it?

The fact of the matter is that whomever decided on their own that Oin's character needed to be gated someplace else was the person at fault here. This is not to say that perhaps, according to one's interpretation of the word "public", that Oin himself was not perhaps a bit at fault as well... But the actual infraction of the rules took place when Oin's character was, through no consent of his own, sent to some other location than he had left it.
That is a matter to be addressed by the admin. When someone clearly harasses another player for no purpose other than their own spite, it has gone beyond polite conversation with the individual.

To Wolfie: I know you were trying to help hon, but the issue hadn't been addressed, only what Oin had done wrong in not preventing it. I wasn't trying to slam you, as has been implied, I stated facts, and refrained from getting personal about it, as I have tried to with this second post as well.

I fail to see the connection to Anti's statement. Besides, she was referring to CROWDED public places.

Oin wasn't logged (leaving behind an npc), they were macroing.

I didn't say macroing was a *bad* thing, NOR did I say anyone should be punished for it. I just said that if anyone macros in public that anything can happen. What if a quest were to start and the GMs spawned a bunch of mobs without realize someone was macroing there? Should the seer responsible get banned from the shard for inadvertantly pking them? (haha)

How do we know that this person (the gater) hasn't truly made a mistake and would apologize profusely if it was pointed out to them? Oin just go talk to them and straighten it out. Maybe it was an honest mistake. Maybe they just thought it would be a harmless joke. Surely the intent was not to get you killed.

Again as I have stated (!) Anyone having problems with another player should try to settle the issue themselves FIRST before bringing in the admin.

Oin, I also want to point out that when people do guard quests, it is often that they will get a really nasty mob spawn in the Minoc Mines. Just so you are aware.

Tamla Tamara wrote:Oin, I also want to point out that when people do guard quests, it is often that they will get a really nasty mob spawn in the Minoc Mines. Just so you are aware.

That's true, once when Oin was mining there i had a quest for killing a titan, luckily he wasn't afk at the moment

Wait, was Oin macroing at the minoc mines? I'm confused.

Celeste you are a true troll, bravo to you for staying in form.

I don’t think in all the servers I have play that the small patch of sand next to the magincia bank is such a public place.

My macro does a small color check to see in front of character. I did not check for gates because my character does not wonder of, he goes by a specific small path and I was thinking I was not going to encounter players of that type here.
My character does not spam the screen. He just walks around in circles. He will not get lost because the macros count steps perfectly; he just goes in circles acting like a normal npc.

Why I macro wish is not necessary? Well I work 12 hours a day and little time to play. But the simple fact that I got 100str and 30k+ ingots and all skill max in 3 days will tell you how useless my macroing is.

I did try to ask the player why he did this, he did not respond until I told him I record journals and he answer “so?â€

Tamla Tamara wrote:Oin, I also want to point out that when people do guard quests, it is often that they will get a really nasty mob spawn in the Minoc Mines. Just so you are aware.

About the minoc mines, yes I have macro there. And a very polite player waited for me to be online (Not on .Private) and simply MSG me and told me that guard quest where directed there and to be careful not to macro there. I replay thanks for the info and I move to another cave. Why can’t everyone be polite?

Most of us are very polite, unfortunately there are a few that are still childishly like the OSI set.

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:He was not in public(i.e. in town or heavily trafficked area), and therefore not in violation of the rules

While the gating of him off to another (presumably dangerous) location was a reprehensible act, wether or not he was in public is open to some debate. I can't point to canon on this but I think in terms of the shard, anyplace not private (basically a player owned home) is considered to be public.